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Malice Black · Dec 13, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by Yichi

all these threads....

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DarkGanni · Dec 13, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Griffon Days, req7 weapons, no heros, prophecies only, NO LOOT SCALING crap, Yes old days better

wsmcasey · Dec 13, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

There's no real focus to the game. They should call it "Faction Wars". I've yet to find a guild dedicated to GvG, and I've played for 2 1/2 years.

Or........maybe

Farming Wars
Heroes Are Better Than Me Wars
Nerf Wars
Solo Online Gaming Wars
Power Trading Wars
Report Button Wars
Vanity Item Wars
Spread Out The Player Base As Much As Possible Wars

Seriously.......the game has evolved so much in the past couple of years that not even Anet knows what Guild Wars is really about. The game lacks focus, yet I still keep playing because I cant find anything I like better.

Longasc · Dec 13, 2007, 09:38 PM // 21:38

They managed to improve in many ways. Graphics, Quests and so on.

But consumables, ever easier difficulty and more and more overpowered skills, pve only skills in particular, made things a pure grind. The more they added, the more power creep we had.

The old credo of skill > time has been abandoned,
now you have to get this or that skill, raise this or that faction, and that mostly for all chars seperately. Together with the HoM being char-based rather than account based ANet basically told me to focus on one char.

They added interesting elements with worms and siege devourers, but in the end they were imba overpowered BS like most of their new additions.

BTW, that they needed so long to come up with the chest solution for Balthazar faction basically means they are slow as hell or that they originally did not want that much item based rewards

This change in direction goes more and more towards the normal, item and time based MMOs, which would put GW2 into a totally different league.

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Seriously.......the game has evolved so much in the past couple of years that not even Anet knows what Guild Wars is really about. The game lacks focus, yet I still keep playing because I cant find anything I like better.

Could not agree more.

wsmcasey · Dec 13, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

I'll take it a step further.........

Anet has dabbled their way thru the past few years, never deciding to master anything in particular. In fact, I believe they fail or come up short in online gaming because they major in minor things. Different development teams for different chapters didnt help matters any. Hopefully they will learn from their mistakes and focus all their resources on mastering a single idea and sticking with it.

Dont hurt me.........

Negligate · Dec 14, 2007, 01:01 AM // 01:01

i like the old days when there was NO CHESTS! im not only talking about the pesky zaishen BUT all chests.
made getting gold items SOOOOO MMMMMUUUCCCHHHH easier.
Thats why i stay in pre, feels like the OLD gw, no chest, heroes, and 55s.
pure gw in my opinion.

arcanemacabre · Dec 14, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by Negligate

i like the old days when there was NO CHESTS! im not only talking about the pesky zaishen BUT all chests.
made getting gold items SOOOOO MMMMMUUUCCCHHHH easier.
Thats why i stay in pre, feels like the OLD gw, no chest, heroes, and 55s.
pure gw in my opinion.

Umm, there are keyless "chests" in Pre (hidden stash). There were also keyless chests in the early days of GW. The chests in Dreadnought's Drift and Ice Floe as the most popular, which also dropped the rarest items. They were replaced with the keyed chests because they provided too easy rare items. Now that there is a chest that you have to work for in PvP, it's suddenly worse for the economy than how it used to be? How is that possible?

Let's see: free chests that are easily run to in 5-10 minutes by anyone, versus a chest that is paid for with faction that can take at least an hour or two of PvP (or Zaishen Elite rounds). Yeah, definitely much easier to get rare stuff now /sarcasm

Negligate · Dec 14, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

Umm, there are keyless "chests" in Pre (hidden stash). There were also keyless chests in the early days of GW. The chests in Dreadnought's Drift and Ice Floe as the most popular, which also dropped the rarest items. They were replaced with the keyed chests because they provided too easy rare items. Now that there is a chest that you have to work for in PvP, it's suddenly worse for the economy than how it used to be? How is that possible?

Let's see: free chests that are easily run to in 5-10 minutes by anyone, versus a chest that is paid for with faction that can take at least an hour or two of PvP (or Zaishen Elite rounds). Yeah, definitely much easier to get rare stuff now /sarcasm

lets see... did those chest affect the GW economy? as i recall the early days of GW purps was considered a good drop, head over to the Awesome weapons 1 and youll see the amount of good drops before compare to now. and for how zaishen chest affect economy? are you some kind of an idiot? wow, you might be blind,

Increase amount of eternals - check
increase amount of crystalline- check
increase amount of everything HIGH END- check.

and even if eternal or other high end drop every 2000 keys or so, with so much keys being used it will stack up.
explain why 3 weeks ago an eternal blade was considered RAREST OF RARE , when there was only 1, then zaishen chest comes along, head over to HE, and use your eyes dammit.

hate this kind of people who cant see the effect of these chests.

P.S. stash never gives good item so you know
go make a pre char and see if u can farm them hidden stash..

FFS

Yosh · Dec 14, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

I started playing when Factions was released. It was fun, met alot of cool people, and was simple. I kept on playing for nightfall, and after that EotN. Want to know what the biggest difference out of all that was for me? My skill menu changed. Other than that I've havnt really noticed a difference. We've got a new type of henchman (heros), a couple of new skills, and some more cheap stories which I love. It's funny coming on Guru and hear people screaming about how the econemy is dead or how they have nerfed every skill in the game. As a casual player, I really havent noticed. I just play the game, and whatever nerf or item or campaign Anet throws at me, is another hour trying to figure out how to go on without it.

arcanemacabre · Dec 14, 2007, 03:51 AM // 03:51

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Originally Posted by Negligate

explain why 3 weeks ago an eternal blade was considered RAREST OF RARE , when there was only 1, then zaishen chest comes along, head over to HE, and use your eyes dammit.

Pretty easy to explain. It is a new weapon. Or it was. When it was first known about, only one existed, so of course it was extremely rare and literally one of a kind. The more that drop, regardless of the rate it drops, it decreases in price because more than one exists. You do realize this, right?

EDIT: To further this explanation, people also love to be one of the first to own something, so will always pay a severely inflated price right off the bat. I got [one of] the first Ice Breakers when they were introduced, and quickly sold it for 75k. It still has the same drop rate, and drops in only that one place from the grawls, yet you can now buy one for 3-5k.

Savio · Dec 14, 2007, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Negligate

lets see... did those chest affect the GW economy?

Because crystallines and unconditionals don't affect anything, right?

Negligate · Dec 14, 2007, 05:20 AM // 05:20

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Originally Posted by Savio

Because crystallines and unconditionals don't affect anything, right?

what are you talking about?

"the chests in Dreadnought's Drift and Ice Floe as the most popular, which also dropped the rarest items. They were replaced with the keyed chests because they provided too easy rare items"

im pretty sure if crystalline or unconditional drops from here as easy as zaishen theyl be going down the drain too, the thing is with unconditional they wer nerf very fast. you just made my point on how old GW was better because you cant farm those back in the day. or else theyll be an over supply of unconditionaled.

and for you arcane...
you just made my point.... on why these chests are bad...
explain again how the ZAISHEN NOT affect the economy, if you think they are soo good. More chance of good drops, more chance its gonna be common, more chance to screw the economy. simple.

U saying that zaishen are harder to get to than the ice floe and dreadnoguht chests? wow you must be crazy. i can get to zaishen right off the bat, pvp char instant lvl 20, zashen challane/elite then some RA... one or two hours on pvp to get 5k faction??? what $hit you smokin son? hooookkk mmeee up! or maybe u just suck at pvp.

arcanemacabre · Dec 14, 2007, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by Negligate

im pretty sure if crystalline or unconditional drops from here as easy as zaishen theyl be going down the drain too, the thing is with unconditional they wer nerf very fast. you just made my point on how old GW was better because you cant farm those back in the day. or else theyll be an over supply of unconditionaled.

They did. Crystallines dropped from those chests right up until they were removed. They weren't in over supply because 1) not many people knew about it for a while; and 2) it was removed. You're making the argument that there were no chests back then, and that somehow it's so much easier to get rare items now - I just proved you wrong. If things stayed the same, and those chests were not removed, I guarantee the market would be much more flooded than it is now. Not a doubt in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Negligate

U saying that zaishen are harder to get to than the ice floe and dreadnoguht chests? wow you must be crazy. i can get to zaishen right off the bat, pvp char instant lvl 20, zashen challane/elite then some RA... one or two hours on pvp to get 5k faction??? what $hit you smokin son? hooookkk mmeee up! or maybe u just suck at pvp.

Umm, yeah, 5,000 Balth faction is much more difficult to get than simply making a run build and running to a chest over and over again. Not to mention those chests didn't have a 80% chance of dropping crap sweet tooth and drunkard items. I think you are getting a bit too emotional over this, chief.

Hyper Cutter · Dec 14, 2007, 05:44 AM // 05:44

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Originally Posted by Coridan

the introduction of Inscriptions is what i regret see implemented the most. I can remember when you were very lucky if you had a "15^50" weapon of any req....now almost any weapon of color can be made perfect....I am all about everyone being able to get "perfect" weapons..but i thought thats what green weapons were for...if anet would just take out inscriptions.....i think the majority of forum pve players would rejoice!

Bryant Again · Dec 14, 2007, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Oh and also: Allowing Texmod is AMAZINGLY kickass. I love how we now have a modding community.

Savio · Dec 14, 2007, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Keyed chests had some impact, but they're not anywhere near the worst things to hit the economy. Zaishen chests? 99.9% of the time you get crap not worth mentioning, which is pretty much like the drop rates of other chests.

Negligate · Dec 14, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Savio

Keyed chests had some impact, but they're not anywhere near the worst things to hit the economy. Zaishen chests? 99.9% of the time you get crap not worth mentioning, which is pretty much like the drop rates of other chests.

That what i am saying. Chests in general affected the economy. And never compare zaishen to any chest. zaishen are different:
1. they are easy to get to.
2. they drop High end items, use to drop only on HA
3. people farm or do chest run well how much an hour? 20?30? zaishen can be farmed for infinity as long as you have cash. and who doesnt? not even hard to get 5k faction. do shiverpeak chest drop crystalline? do forbidden chest eternals? so dont compare zaishen to like any other chests.

for arcane.
They did. Crystallines dropped from those chests right up until they were removed. They weren't in over supply because 1) not many people knew about it for a while; and 2) it was removed. You're making the argument that there were no chests back then, and that somehow it's so much easier to get rare items now - I just proved you wrong. If things stayed the same, and those chests were not removed, I guarantee the market would be much more flooded than it is now. Not a doubt in my mind.

again, you have proved me right. chests are bad. my whole argument was chests made it easier to get rare items rather than drop my monster. you said it yourself, if those chests werent remove they would have been oversupplied.
so to counter that, a.net removed those chest. end result is you can only get crystalline in HA, now did that affect its value? no not one bit, actually made it a very desirable skin because it is rare. you didnt prove me wrong, you proved me right, thanks

bottom line: chests sucks.

Mordakai · Dec 14, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Negligate

bottom line: chests sucks.

To who? The leet power farmer? Oh how sad, I may cry.

Chests rock for the casual player, ie, the majority. Suck it up big boy.

arcanemacabre · Dec 14, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Negligate

again, you have proved me right. chests are bad. my whole argument was chests made it easier to get rare items rather than drop my monster. you said it yourself, if those chests werent remove they would have been oversupplied.
so to counter that, a.net removed those chest. end result is you can only get crystalline in HA, now did that affect its value? no not one bit, actually made it a very desirable skin because it is rare. you didnt prove me wrong, you proved me right, thanks

bottom line: chests sucks.

So umm, how else would you get rare skins that only drop from chests, like Crystallines and Eternals?

Negligate · Dec 14, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

To who? The leet power farmer? Oh how sad, I may cry.

Chests rock for the casual player, ie, the majority. Suck it up big boy.

hmm? who says anything by farming? Im a casual player who plays ONLY on the weekends for a few hours a day but still dislike chests, you know why?
o boy here go again. chest made everything easy blah blah blah
scroll up and read my arguments. thnx

As i said "chests are bad. my whole argument was chests made it easier to get rare items rather than drop my monster. you said it yourself, if those chests werent remove they would have been oversupplied.
so to counter that, a.net removed those chest. end result is you can only get crystalline in HA"

Wer do u get crystalline? Do HA,boy i bet you couldnt even go to the 2nd round. see if its harder than to get 5k faction. read my post, b4 u say anything. ok? which one is harder to get too? zaishen or hoh chest?
btw their drop rate is the same. so how come HA chest didnt affect the value of crystalline? cause its hard to get there and even harder to get a good drop
how many teams win each day? 20-30? maybe? well those 20-30 teams can be duplicated for 20-30 keys of zaishen. HA chests < Zaishen chest,
P.S back in the day its harder to get a 15^50 or a decent mod crystalline, however zaishen drops insc. so whatever it drops, its considered perf.
i still stand by my decision.
Chest sucks.